the absurd observers

Wednesday, February 23, 2005

DP continues..

There is a theoretical "fight" going on... and that fight is the fight for "balance"... a fight that goes on in all facets of life... a fight that defines existence... the sun goes up and comes down... the seasonal cycles etc - a balance.... once you have brutally killed people with malice you have lost that inherent quality of life that should be valued, you have put yourself above everyone - you have said to another that your life means nothing and mine is elevated because I control yours - you are in essence attempting to be god like... this excessive power/disrespect for others/human life must be balanced by putting the murderer to death... this has nothing to do with a deterrent effect (which I admitt has no effect), it has to do with a basic fairness that is so fundamental to being human that if we lose it we may stray too far away from being a person and fall into a the trap of becoming an all consumed overly civilized detached analytical souless abstact thinker... while it would be "nice" to live in a world where all human life is valued and the gov't took the reins by stopping it's own killings, this is simply too nieve a view... essentially the gov't will be playing a game of monopoly with a different set of rules which are so far below the murders set of rules that it would be unfair to the other players who are taken out by the murderer... the only way to realistically respect life is to allow the govt to put to death heinous killers... I am more fearful of a society that is so far detached in hyper analytical thinking and self professed "civility" that it loses its very core and essential basic notions of fairness... the difference between life and death is so large a difference that it is a perverse punishment to all of society to allow these killers to breathe and dream etc while their victims have lost every ounce of life - a life that is shown to have value by putting to death those with no respect for it...

5 Comments:

  • I have many reasons for opposing the death penalty.

    Practical:
    - We can't do it fairly (income/racial correlations that Reeve referred to)
    - It is irreversible, and new technologies have exonerated many people on Death Row. It's almost impossible to believe that we have not executed innocent people
    - I can think of few greater forms of mental torture than telling someone the exact time at which and method through which you are going to kill them, and then make them sit in a cell for months contemplating that

    Theoretical:
    - Just as Reeve says the killer plays god, so does the state. What gives the collection of people any more right to kill than a single member?
    - Capital punishment reduces the worth of a human life to its worst act

    Three new countries abolish the death penalty every year. Death penalty advocates are on the wrong side of the progress of society... in the same way segregationists once were, and anti-homosexuality crusaders are today.


    I'd also like to offer this:
    - 5 countries have executed juveniles since 2000: China, Congo, Iran, Pakistan, and the U.S. Nice company?

    Following are two lists of countries. Based on what you know, which list would you rather be associated with?

    AFGHANISTAN
    ALGERIA
    ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA
    ARMENIA
    BAHAMAS
    BAHRAIN
    BANGLADESH
    BARBADOS
    BELARUS
    BELIZE
    BENIN
    BOTSWANA
    BURUNDI
    CAMEROON
    CHAD
    CHINA
    COMOROS
    CONGO (Democratic Republic)
    CUBA
    DOMINICA
    EGYPT
    EQUATORIAL GUINEA
    ERITREA
    ETHIOPIA
    GABON
    GHANA
    GUATEMALA
    GUINEA
    GUYANA
    INDIA
    INDONESIA
    IRAN
    IRAQ
    JAMAICA
    JAPAN
    JORDAN
    KAZAKSTAN
    KENYA
    KUWAIT
    KYRGYZSTAN
    LAOS
    LEBANON LESOTHO LIBERIA
    LIBYA
    MALAWI
    MALAYSIA
    MAURITANIA
    MONGOLIA
    MOROCCO
    MYANMAR
    NIGERIA
    NORTH KOREA
    OMAN
    PAKISTAN
    PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY
    PHILIPPINES
    QATAR
    RUSSIAN FEDERATION
    RWANDA
    SAINT CHRISTOPHER & NEVIS
    SAINT LUCIA
    SAINT VINCENT & GRENADINES
    SAUDI ARABIA
    SIERRA LEONE
    SINGAPORE
    SOMALIA
    SOUTH KOREA
    SUDAN
    SWAZILAND
    SYRIA
    TAIWAN
    TAJIKISTAN
    TANZANIA
    THAILAND
    TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO
    TUNISIA
    UGANDA
    UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
    UZBEKISTAN
    VIETNAM
    YEMEN
    ZAMBIA
    ZIMBABWE




    Andorra
    Angola
    Australia
    Austria
    Azerbaijan
    Belgium
    Bulgaria
    Cambodia
    Canada
    Cape Verde
    Colombia
    Costa Rica
    C?d'Ivoire
    Croatia
    Czech Republic
    Denmark
    Djibouti
    Dominican Republic
    East Timor
    Ecuador
    Estonia
    Finland
    France
    Georgia
    Germany
    Greece
    Guinea-Bissau
    Haiti
    Honduras
    Hungary
    Iceland
    Ireland
    Italy
    Kiribati
    Liechtenstein
    Lithuania
    Luxembourg
    Macedonia (former Yug. Rep.)
    Malta
    Marshall Islands
    Mauritius
    Micronesia (Federate States)
    Moldova
    Monaco
    Mozambique
    Namibia
    Nepal
    Netherlands
    New Zealand
    Nicaragua
    Norway
    Palau
    Panama
    Paraguay
    Poland
    Portugal
    Romania
    San Marino
    Sao Tomé ˇnd Principe
    Seychelles
    Slovak Republic
    Slovenia
    Solomon Islands
    South Africa
    Spain
    Sweden
    Switzerland
    Turkmenistan
    Tuvalu
    Ukraine
    United Kingdom
    Uruguay
    Vanuatu
    Vatican City State
    Venezuela
    Yugoslavia (Federal Republic)

    By Blogger CB, at 1:32 PM  

  • SO you are saying-- It is impossible to frame someone for murder.-- Or that millions of people can't be made to wrongly believe that a person should be put to death.
    During the Holocaust entire countries were made to believe that putting certain people to death would solve their problems.
    Millions went along with the idea.
    If we put one innocent person to death what are we going to do?
    Say we are sorry? Ooops, we made a mistake!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:12 PM  

  • Do you have a son?
    Does he hang with the wrong crowd?
    Does he do everything right?
    Are his whereabouts always accounted for by witnesses ?
    Is it impossible for anyone to hold a grudge against him?
    Does he have a common "look" that could be mistaken for someone elses?
    Do the cops where you live do everything right?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:22 PM  

  • In Reeve's defense, in his originl post, he did proceed on the assumption that we knew without doubt that the person we were executing was guilty of committing a heinous crime.

    By Blogger Seth Y, at 3:26 PM  

  • I'd like to answer some of your questions myself:

    I don't have a son.
    I hang with the wrong crowd.
    However, I do do everything right.
    Yet, still I can't always account for my own whereabouts, let alone find witnesses.
    Lots of people have grudges against me.
    The "look" I have is sort of a postmodern Serpico thing, so I don't know if that could be confused with anyone else's "look". Serpico's "look", I suppose.
    As for the cops doing things right, I'm not sure of the answer.

    My question is: what does this have to do with a theoretical question about whether it is ethical to kill a guilty person?

    By Blogger Dan J, at 4:42 PM  

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